- Loyola University Chicago
- University Honors Program
- University Honors Program 101
Last Modified: 2011-11-02
as if he were a god
parallels Oedipus talking to subjects, Tiresias
blames Socrates for societal problems
freedom of speech has serious consequences
Socrates says that world doesn't care what we do (no Zeus/divinity)
decline of values, particularly in the youth
Pheidippides says no to Strepsiades
seriously considering killing himself to get out of debt
first rule that Socrates taught him (we can infer)
is Socrates mad that he would be willing to kill himself or that he can't remember the rule?
Plato says philosophers must have a good memory
1. putting fleas in wax to measure how far they can jump in "flea feet"
Aristophanes: worthless, unnecessary
2. analyzing intestines of gnat
Plato's Socrates not interested in natural sciences
3. looking at Heavens
Aristophanes: should humans try to know the minds of the gods?
corrupted him, loses morals
sophisticated people lack values
new way of thinking leads to atheism
oaths to gods no longer matter
fear of the gods broken down
making of thunder and lightning
Zeus and other gods become superfluous in a purely naturalistic view of the world
source of comedy
conflicts with more traditional Greek views, which see it as a source of beauty
old-fashioned, out of date
indifferent to applause, popular opinion
common, sensible ideas of justice
don't be mean to your parents
avoid immoderate pleasures
gives long speeches
talks more about what we shouldn't do than what we should
revolutionary, modern, bold
uses dialectic rather than making long speeches
ultimate source of victory
used by Socrates
how can we resist desires when even Zeus gives in to them?
Just Speech: make men sissies
Unjust: so was Hercules a sissy?
Unjust: Homeric heroes went to the marketplace
works both ways: Strepsiades not smarter than Pheidippides
Pheidippides beats up Strepsiades over a dispute about poetry
first debate whether Pheidippides should beat him up or not
Pheidippides threatens to beat up his mother, whom he is also smarter than
Strepsiades burns down the thinkery
Socrates above the law, no one can out argue him, so appeal to force is all Strepsiades has
because Socrates did
claims in Apology that his real accuser is Aristophanes
Clouds points towards trial of Socrates
"friendly critic," not mean spirited
Clouds only appear after Strepsiades loses his faith in the gods, at which point his education in rhetoric begins
nature becomes your god
things such as justice and virtue go away alongside belief in the gods
relates to Milean Dialogue
Athenians not interested in justice, as they hold all the power
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